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    ReadA Case for Integrated Family Worship
    News from Flooding Creek

    A question that every thinking Christian parent faces is, "What do I do with my kids during church?"

     

    If you have grown up in the protestant church in Australia you very likely have seen, or even experienced, a separate Sunday school for kids during the service. Either for part of the service or for the whole thing.


    But, even in churches with Sunday School type kids programs, there will be some parents who do not send their kids out.


    What should you do if faced with the option as a parent? Send them out? Keep them in?


    In some churches, including our own church, we have the kids in for the whole service. Why? Well the cop-out answer is that we don't have the resources to run a fully-fledged kids program. But let's say for argument's sake that we did have the people, training, space and finances to make it all work, should we start a kids program during the service?


    It would certainly feel easier for the beleaguered parent to have someone else look after their children on Sunday morning.


    But, we have to ask an important question before we consider this any further.


    What does God want His people to do?


    History

    Sunday School started as a way to provide education to uneducated kids in addition to the regular worship gathering of the church. Before the days of universal education, you could only get educated if you paid for it, or, if it was provided out of the generosity of others.


    Many many Australian kids couldn't go to school. Many families were also working 6 days a week. So Churches started running Sunday School after church as a charitable endeavour to help kids with basic literacy, eventually enabling them to read the God's word for themselves! They would be taught songs and given religious instruction too.


    As public literacy skyrocketed when public schools started, there was little need for Sunday literacy classes, but it was still good to have the opportunity to teach children the faith, so Sunday schools continued.


    However, somewhere along the line between the establishment of public education and the present day, the religious instruction of children became an alternative to being part of the worship of God's gathered people.


    Now, age appropriate teaching for kids is very important! But, should it come at the expense of families worshiping God together?


    A Joyful Vision

    There is so much to say on this topic, from the statistics about kids who stay Christians, to the trendy parenting choices that set kids up to fail. But I want to make the best use of your attention, and I think the best way to do that is to put forward a vision of the family in worship. It is a joyful vision!


    Worship is an all of life activity, and Church services are part of "all of life". This is a time we especially set aside to humble ourselves before God and hear from Him and respond to Him as a gathered body of His people.


    In the Torah, God expected that kids were involved in the rites of worship to such an extent that they would ask their parents about the meaning of what they did (e.g. Ex 12:24–27). Even if our kids are not mature enough to participate in every aspect, they should be close enough to see it!


    The scriptures are clear that parents, and particularly fathers, have first responsibility for discipling their kids (Eph 6:4, Ps 78:4-6, Pro 22:6, 29:17, Deu 11:19, etc.), and this includes teaching them how to participate in gathered worship. Children seeing their parents praise God with joy; confess their sin with sorrow; devour the Word of God with hunger; and encourage other believers with gentleness; is one of the best ways to teach our children and show them the lived reality of our faith. Over the long term, the best way to disciple children in the gathering is to show them how to participate (example), equip them to participate (repetition & practice), and instruct them on the how & why of participation (teaching).


    This also means that parents need to learn themselves the how and why of church gathering so that you can pass this onto the next generation!


    The practical aspects of helping kids "behave" at church is merely a precursor to them being able to partake of the nourishing "pure spiritual milk, that by it [they] may grow up into salvation" (1 Pe 2:2).


    Many families already struggle to find time to spend together as a whole family and to do family-strengthening activities. Church should be a place where that is enabled and encouraged.


    Paul wrote to Galatians and Corinthians on different theological issues but in both cases there was arbitrary division among God's people that was condemned. We also have a potent example in the Gospel's of the disciples turning away children because they were not considered worthy of Jesus' time and attention. But, Jesus welcomed the children, blessing them, and indeed holding them up as an example of faith!


    "Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them. And when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” (Lk 18:15–17).


    No, I'm not suggesting that if you send your kids to Sunday school you're preventing them from coming to Jesus, but I do feel that separating God's people with the patronising attitude of "you're too young for church" reminds me of the disciples in that story.


    Everyone learns to do things they can't do, by trying to do them. You learn to ride a bike, by trying to ride a bike before you have learned. In order for children to learn how to do church, they need to be in church learning how to do it.


    But imagine, imagine what it would look like if your family could experience the wonderful blessing of each actively participating together with the gathered body! What a vision that would be! Each encouraging one another. Spurring each other onto love and good works! Singing out your lungs together, crying out for redemption, revelling in God's salvation, sitting under God's word with reverence, and lifting up your hearts with joy to receive God's means of grace!


     

    I'm a child of Sunday School. I benefited greatly from it. But the question that needs answering is not whether or not we benefited, but whether it should have been at the expense of time with family and the other gathered saints in church under God.


    There are many challenges that can arise if we want to have our families purposefully together in church. In the future I wish to write on some practical tips that may inspire your fruitfulness in this area!

     

    For further reading on this topic, check out:

     

    John Piper's letter to his church on Family Integrated Worship


    Jeff Durbin's thoughts on Family Integrated Worship



    "Give ear, O my people, to my teaching; 

       incline your ears to the words of my mouth! 

    I will open my mouth in a parable; 

       I will utter dark sayings from of old, 

    things that we have heard and known, 

       that our fathers have told us. 

    We will not hide them from their children, 

       but tell to the coming generation 

             the glorious deeds of the LORD, and his might, 

       and the wonders that he has done." (Ps 78:1–4).



    Samuel Lindsay

    1. Surprised by Sin

      I'm still surprised by my sin. The scriptures clearly teach our total depravity; the insipid, complete, twistedness of our being with sin without God in our life. But I still get surprised at the seemingly endless capacity I have for sin.

       

      Why am I so quick to sin? Why do I run into it with relish at a moments notice?

       

      I've been amongst the church as long as I can remember. I was taught the statutes of the Lord from the womb. I know right and wrong. So why do I sin like this?


      "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out." (Ro 7:18).


      The scriptures fill my mind, the way of the Lord is open before me, paved with the blood of Christ and illuminated by the Holy Spirit. Why does darkness and destruction seem so attractive? Why is the road to the destitution of hell more pleasing to me in the moment?


      "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." (Ro 7:15).


      Am I really saved? If I truly belonged to Christ wouldn't my soul be so captured by His radiance that I would throw off any encumbrance on the way to salvation?

       

      I play with hellfire. I tempt fate. I dally in the devils chambers.

       

      For what? What will it gain me?

       

      It gains me a guilt and shame.

       

      How can I gather with and sing God's praises as a holy people, then bow to my passions as if God's holiness means nothing to me?


      What hope is there for one as terrible as me?


      Surely I'm unlovable and unredeemable.


      Surely there's no way out.


      "Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Ro 7:24).


      --



      Preach, proclaim, meditate & remember!! I will instruct myself in the only truth that is an antidote to this bad news.


      The way to life is not by my own hand. I cannot reach up to heaven through my hard work, but instead heaven has come down in Christ!!


      I am lost, so Christ has found me!


      I am dead, so the Holy Spirit has enlivened me!


      I'm an outsider, but the Father has adopted me!


      If I look to myself, I will find only despair or deception, for I am no saviour. Instead I must lift up my eyes an behold the one who can save, and does save! The One who has made an end to all my sin.


      "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death." (Ro 8:1–2).


      My performance has gained me nothing with God, instead, of His own grace He freely redeemed me from the grave which I deserve.


      The Lord has made me holy, by justifying me, even while the law of sin is at work in the members of my body. He has made me a holy work in progress, with the grace to cover my past, present and future sin.


      Should I continue in sin? By no means! Instead I must die to sin, so I may live free from it!


      So now, I am a Sinner and a Saint, and while I must utterly reject the sin, I can rest assured that it will not cut me off from my Merciful Saviour, because he has dealt with it. I look to Him for grace and place my trust in him, not looking to my own failures as a marker of salvation, or lack thereof.


      I need an outside rescuer to come in and create life where there was death. Thank God for the Holy Spirit who comes from the outside to give Life through Jesus Christ! He will take away all my guilt and shame!



      "Remember my affliction and my wanderings, 

         the wormwood and the gall! 

      My soul continually remembers it 

         and is bowed down within me. 

      But this I call to mind, 

         and therefore I have hope: 

      The steadfast love of the LORD never ceases; 

         his mercies never come to an end; 

      they are new every morning; 

         great is your faithfulness. 

      “The LORD is my portion,” says my soul, 

         “therefore I will hope in him.” (La 3:19–24).


      "...if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you." (Ro 8:9–11).



      Samuel Lindsay

        1. published a newsletter

          ReadSurprised by Sin
          News from Flooding Creek

          I'm still surprised by my sin. The scriptures clearly teach our total depravity; the insipid, complete, twistedness of our being with sin without God in our life. But I still get surprised at the seemingly endless capacity I have for sin.

           

          Why am I so quick to sin? Why do I run into it with relish at a moments notice?

           

          I've been amongst the church as long as I can remember. I was taught the statutes of the Lord from the womb. I know right and wrong. So why do I sin like this?


          "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out." (Ro 7:18).


          The scriptures fill my mind, the way of the Lord is open before me, paved with the blood of Christ and illuminated by the Holy Spirit. Why does darkness and destruction seem so attractive? Why is the road to the destitution of hell more pleasing to me in the moment?


          "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." (Ro 7:15).


          Am I really saved? If I truly belonged to Christ wouldn't my soul be so captured by His radiance that I would throw off any encumbrance on the way to salvation?

           

          I play with hellfire. I tempt fate. I dally in the devils chambers.

           

          For what? What will it gain me?

           

          It gains me a guilt and shame.

           

          How can I gather with and sing God's praises as a holy people, then bow to my passions as if God's holiness means nothing to me?


          What hope is there for one as terrible as me?


          Surely I'm unlovable and unredeemable.


          Surely there's no way out.


          "Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Ro 7:24).


          --



          Preach, proclaim, meditate & remember!! I will instruct myself in the only truth that is an antidote to this bad news.


          The way to life is not by my own hand. I cannot reach up to heaven through my hard work, but instead heaven has come down in Christ!!


          I am lost, so Christ has found me!


          I am dead, so the Holy Spirit has enlivened me!


          I'm an outsider, but the Father has adopted me!


          If I look to myself, I will find only despair or deception, for I am no saviour. Instead I must lift up my eyes an behold the one who can save, and does save! The One who has made an end to all my sin.


          "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death." (Ro 8:1–2).


          My performance has gained me nothing with God, instead, of His own grace He freely redeemed me from the grave which I deserve.


          The Lord has made me holy, by justifying me, even while the law of sin is at work in the members of my body. He has made me a holy work in progress, with the grace to cover my past, present and future sin.


          Should I continue in sin? By no means! Instead I must die to sin, so I may live free from it!


          So now, I am a Sinner and a Saint, and while I must utterly reject the sin, I can rest assured that it will not cut me off from my Merciful Saviour, because he has dealt with it. I look to Him for grace and place my trust in him, not looking to my own failures as a marker of salvation, or lack thereof.


          I need an outside rescuer to come in and create life where there was death. Thank God for the Holy Spirit who comes from the outside to give Life through Jesus Christ! He will take away all my guilt and shame!



          "Remember my affliction and my wanderings, 

             the wormwood and the gall! 

          My soul continually remembers it 

             and is bowed down within me. 

          But this I call to mind, 

             and therefore I have hope: 

          The steadfast love of the LORD never ceases; 

             his mercies never come to an end; 

          they are new every morning; 

             great is your faithfulness. 

          “The LORD is my portion,” says my soul, 

             “therefore I will hope in him.” (La 3:19–24).


          "...if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you." (Ro 8:9–11).




          Samuel Lindsay

          1. Embracing the Ultra-Conservative

            Amusingly, some Christians in Australia have recently been labelled “Ultra-conservative”. What makes this strange is that some of the churches who receive this label are often not conservative from the perspective of Christian history!


            How come they’re not conservative from a Christian perspective?

            Um... let’s call it heterodox teaching. That is teaching that is not necessarily heretical, but it is often different the historical Christian understanding of the Bible.


            So then, why do secular media organisations call such churches ultra-conservative? Because even these heterodox churches are a long way away from what is now considered “normal.” It seems the new label applies to people who are not towing the popular line around things like abortion, gay-mirage, homosexuality, transgenderism and other such things. If you oppose the mainstream narrative with beliefs that are more than 5 years old, you're "Ultra-conservative."


            Lets assume for the moment that the media represents the common mind of the people of Australia (a stretch, I know), and look at it from their perspective. They see this apparently conservative Christianity as this far-away strange worldview. It is so opposed to so much of what they hold dear.

            They would probably see Churches as remnants of a less civilised past that most people have graduated from. It would not surprise me if I heard them using words like "draconian" and "archaic" to describe people like us.


            We haven’t moved. But they have. Many popular modern beliefs are very far down the track from traditional faith in Jesus Christ.


            For thousands of years there have not been any seismic shifts in Christian theology. We believe and live according to the same doctrines as we always have. Yes, there are the more progressive (and I would say errant) movements in some parts of the Christian landscape, but the Bible itself has not changed, and so faithful Christians are still sticking to that text as their rule of life and faith. We contextualise differently over the years, but the actual content of Christianity has not changed.


            So we have sat still on the firm foundation of Christ, and the culture around us has been moving this way and that way. So to call us "conservative," or even "ultra-conservative" is probably fair. We want the eternal truth of the Gospel, God's design and God's law to be the guide and standard for our communities and nation. We are conserving age old beliefs in a world that looks on them in disdain.


            "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." (2 Jn 9).


            For many of us, we have begun to see progress as a moral good. The "new" is automatically assumed to be better. Progressing is always better than staying still right?


            Well, not if you're progressing from truth into error, or from light into darkness, or a soldier progressing away from your post!


            What good is a lighthouse if it moves? It must stay still as a fixed point to warn mariners of the danger ahead. It is a fixed point in a sea of chaos and darkness that leads ships to the joy of safe harbour.


            "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." (2 Ti 4:3–4).


            Our culture has defiantly rejected the light of the Gospel and taken up increasingly open rebellion. They see the lighthouse of the church as old and unnecessary. They think they have GPS mapping where they can plot their own course to the harbour of their choice, but really they're children sketching fantasy worlds and dooming many lives to be driven against the jagged rocks.


            Yes the church is thousands of years old. Yes our beliefs come from the past, but they have stood for thousands of years because they are true and right and good. The truth of God will be still standing long after the current fads have come and gone. God's ways are worth conserving, so that people may yet see the light of Christ and find eternal life.


            So call us "ultra conservative", we'll take it as a compliment!


            "Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." (Jas 1:16–17).


            "All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flower of grass. 

            The grass withers, and the flower falls, 

            but the word of the Lord remains forever.'

            And this word is the good news that was preached to you." (1 Pe 1:24–25).


            Samuel Lindsay

            1. I don't mind being ultra conservative. We have started rereading Watchman Nee's "Release of the Spirit". I have a very long way to go before I will be ultra conservative in God's eyes, and they are the only ones that matter.