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Claude, it is a substantive. Basically a word or group of words that commonly are considered nominative when taken together. Jealous (humble opinion, zealous is a better English word here) is adjectival, but with the construction, it functions as nominal. The verse is a bicolon, symmetrical and chiastic where the verb and indirect object sandwich the direct object and adjective. It is a very strong emphatic construction. YHWH Tzavot is going to bring down an extraordinary amount of pain on those who hurt Zion because even his zeal is zealous. Again, my humble opinion but it is based on a bit of academic research.- Sorry, Claude, I was thinking about something completely different, in my posts earlier to your question.
- Steve, trying to listen to the audio of your ETS talk on "The Greek Article: A Cognitive-Functional Approach" is hazzy. Did you have a transcript or published version of this paper that I could obtain/chase down?
- OOOOPS! Spoke too soon.... Both files say 23 pages, but I can only view the first 18 in each. Not sure what the problem is.
- Could you post pages 19-23 separately?
- Dude, you need the secret password! ;-) I will print the last bit out and post it.
- SermãoTIAGO 5:7-20 Ver 8 Tiago 5:8 - Sede vós também pacientes; fortalecei os vossos corações, porque a vinda do Senhor está próxima. INTRODUÇÃO: fazer um apanhado da carta de Tiago (irmão de Jesus, bispo da igreja em Jerusalém) ; motivos, publico, textos. TIAGO escreve num estilo de literatura de sabedoria do AT sob o TEMA CAP 1"RELIGIÃO PURA" Tiago 1:26 - Se alguém cuida ser religioso e não refreia a sua língua, mas engana o seu coração, a sua religião é vã. Tiago 1:27 - A religião pura e imaculada diante de nosso Deus e Pai é esta: Visitar os órfãos e as viúvas nas suas aflições e guardar-se isento da corrupção do mundo. CAP 2 e 3 "FÉ E OBRAS" Tiago 2:14 - Que proveito há, meus irmãos se alguém disser que tem fé e não tiver obras? Porventura essa fé pode salvá-lo? CAP 4 "VIDA CRISTÃ NA PRÁTICA" Tiago 4:4 - Infiéis, não sabeis que a amizade do mundo é inimizade contra Deus? Portanto qualquer que quiser ser amigo do mundo constitui-se inimigo de Deus. Tiago 4:7 - Sujeitai-vos, pois, a Deus; mas resisti ao Diabo, e ele fugirá de vós. Tiago 4:10 - Humilhai-vos perante o Senhor, e ele vos exaltará. Cap 5 (TEMA DA FESTA) O AUTOR NOS CONDUZ A DESENVOLVER AS 2 VIRTUDES PACIÊNCIA NOS VER 9-11, CORAÇÃO FORTALECIDO 11-20 1) COMO LIDAR COM A PACIÊNCIA A) COMO UM LAVRADOR Tiago 5:7 - Portanto, irmãos, sede pacientes até a vinda do Senhor. Eis que o lavrador espera o precioso fruto da terra, aguardando-o com paciência, até que receba as primeiras e as últimas chuvas. B) COMO OS PROFETAS: Elias, Jeremias, Daniel e Ezequiel Tiago 5:10 - Irmãos, tomai como exemplo de sofrimento e paciência os profetas que falaram em nome do Senhor. Hebreus 11:32 - E que mais direi? Pois me faltará o tempo, se eu contar de Gideão, de Baraque, de Sansão, de Jefté, de Davi, de Samuel e dos profetas; Hebreus 11:33 - os quais por meio da fé venceram reinos, praticaram a justiça, alcançaram promessas, fecharam a boca dos leões, Hebreus 11:34 - apagaram a força do fogo, escaparam ao fio da espada, da fraqueza tiraram forças, tornaram-se poderosos na guerra, puseram em fuga exércitos estrangeiros. Hebreus 11:35 - As mulheres receberam pela ressurreição os seus mortos; uns foram torturados, não aceitando o seu livramento, para alcançarem uma melhor ressurreição; Hebreus 11:36 - e outros experimentaram escárnios e açoites, e ainda cadeias e prisões. Hebreus 11:37 - Foram apedrejados e tentados; foram serrados ao meio; morreram ao fio da espada; andaram vestidos de peles de ovelhas e de cabras, necessitados, aflitos e maltratados Hebreus 11:38 - {dos quais o mundo não era digno}, errantes pelos desertos e montes, e pelas covas e cavernas da terra. Hebreus 11:39 - E todos estes, embora tendo recebido bom testemunho pela fé, contudo não alcançaram a promessa; C) COMO JÓ: Tiago 5:11 - Eis que chamamos bem-aventurados os que suportaram aflições. Ouvistes da paciência de Jó, e vistes o fim que o Senhor lhe deu, porque o Senhor é cheio de misericórdia e compaixão. Foi paciência que teve de ser exercitada com relação aos três amigos (Elifaz, Bildade, Zofar) que insistem em afirmar que os sofrimentos de Jó eram resultados do pecado secreto. Jó 42:2 - Bem sei eu que tudo podes, e que nenhum dos teus propósitos pode ser impedido. Jó 42:5 - Com os ouvidos eu ouvira falar de ti; mas agora te vêem os meus olhos. 2) COMO FORTALECER O CORAÇÃO Efésios 6:10 - Finalmente, fortalecei-vos no Senhor e na força do seu poder. Mateus 5:11 - Bem-aventurados sois vós, quando vos injuriarem e perseguiram e, mentindo, disserem todo mal contra vós por minha causa. Mateus 5:12 - Alegrai-vos e exultai, porque é grande o vosso galardão nos céus; porque assim perseguiram aos profetas que foram antes de vós. CONCLUSÃO CONFIANDO NA PROMESSA DA VINDA DO SENHOR OBS: Vivemos em um mundo onde as pessoas vivem uma busca louca pelo prazer e auto satisfação, cuja o espírito hedonista impera. A história do terremoto de Amsterdan de 1989 Atos 1:11 - os quais lhes disseram: Varões galileus, por que ficais aí olhando para o céu? Esse Jesus, que dentre vós foi elevado para o céu, há de vir assim como para o céu o vistes ir. João 14:1 - Não se turbe o vosso coração; credes em Deus, crede também em mim. João 14:2 - Na casa de meu Pai há muitas moradas; se não fosse assim, eu vo-lo teria dito; vou preparar-vos lugar. João 14:3 - E, se eu for e vos preparar lugar, virei outra vez, e vos tomarei para mim mesmo, para que onde eu estiver estejais vós também. 1 Coríntios 15:52 - num momento, num abrir e fechar de olhos, ao som da última trombeta; porque a trombeta soará, e os mortos serão ressuscitados incorruptíveis, e nós seremos transformados. 1 Tessalonicenses 4:15 - Dizemo-vos, pois, isto pela palavra do Senhor: que nós, os que ficarmos vivos para a vinda do Senhor, de modo algum precederemos os que já dormem. 1 Tessalonicenses 4:16 - Porque o Senhor mesmo descerá do céu com grande brado, à voz do arcanjo, ao som da trombeta de Deus, e os que morreram em Cristo ressuscitarão primeiro. 1 Tessalonicenses 4:17 - Depois nós, os que ficarmos vivos seremos arrebatados juntamente com eles, nas nuvens, ao encontro do Senhor nos ares, e assim estaremos para sempre com o Senhor. Apocalipse 22:20 - Aquele que dá testemunho destas coisas diz: "Sim, venho em breve! " Amém. Vem, Senhor Jesus!James 5:17Bíblia de Estudo Almeida Revista e AtualizadaElias era homem semelhante a nós, sujeito aos mesmos sentimentos, e orou, com instância, para que não chovesse sobre a terra, e, por três anos e seis meses, não choveu.
- I noticed that Josh Westbury's "A Discourse Grammar of Biblical Hebrew: Foundations" is now available for pre-order. From the book's title and Steve's comments from about a month ago, I wonder if this volume is planned as part larger writing project? Regardless, I'll look forward to hearing more and to its upcoming release. Congrats, Josh!A Discourse Grammar of Biblical Hebrew: Foundationswww.logos.com
- Steve, a beauty for you. A Q about grounding. In the Greek Verb Revisited, your note [77] (p.261) regarding theme-line events in post-nuclear subordinate clauses for foregrounding w.r.t. main clauses does not appear to hold in Greek; & though he [Levinsohn] affirms the principle, he offers no ex's from Greek (p.262). I listened to the ETS tape where you mentioned disagreement with Levinsohn over this, & seemed to suggest that he came around to your way of seeing this. He further mentions (with ex’s) postnuclear GA (p.172) and ωστε (p.175), but your counterclaim would preclude those. However, one anomalous scenario sticks out in the literature where the discussion seems to draw a heads-up is over Continuative Relative Clauses. Isn’t it precisely the claim you are hesitant about that underlines CRC as a discourse device? Example: 1 Thess 5.24 πιστος ὁ καλων ὑμαι ὃς και ποιησει The one calling you is faithful who indeed will do it The info in such a relative clause is usually more important than that of the initial clause thereby giving more grounding to drive the plot line forward. So “characteristically, the info preceding the RC is backgrounded in relation to what follows” (p.177), the RC becoming the foreground. Are CRCs exempt because they are NOT subordinate adverbial clauses? At NARR 10.3.4 it mentions “such a construction is to treat the info conveyed in the preceding clause as the GROUND for the info conveyed by the RC” (2000:191ff), & “the final proposition is the one to which the sentence has been building”. Is this somehow saying the main clause is still the event foregrounding the narrative theme-line, but the subsequent RC has a still higher grounding or (maybe) is only highlighted (rather than THE foregrounded one for the plot-line) or only a relative grounding to the nuclear clause (confined to the sentence complex)? Am I missing something in the confusion? Or is this something still open for continuing study (instead of continuous rel. clauses) (p.269)? Maybe too hard a nut to crack too decisively!
- Hi Reg, That's a great example from 1 Thess! My disagreement with Levinsohn was not that it NEVER happened, but that it is not the natural place for it to occur. His claim was that dependent clauses could be used to foreground information, not just contain foreground information. We left things at the "may be found there" but without any additional claims about it intentionally foregrounding it. Your example illustrates well how that extra bit of information is pivotal, but my point was that such instances are a rarity. Levinsohn's analysis does not treat it as a CRC, so I will add this to the typo list for the LGDNT dataset. I did address his CRC examples from DFGNT from Acts in a footnote of my article, noting that they are all embedded theme lines. They introduce backstories that make it seem as though this is the new direction of the theme line, but instead they will end and the higher level theme line will be resumed. Using a dependent form like a relative clause instructs the reader NOT to take this as advancing the same theme, but rather a dependent/embedded one. So while SHL is correct that the info in the relative clause is clearly more salient than the one on which it depends, we need to look at the larger discourse picture of the embedded theme line. The former is simply an artifact of the latter. Hope that makes some sense, thanks for posting the example!
- The Lexham Discourse Handbooks 3 volume set (Colossians, 1-2 Thessalonians, James) has shipped! https://www.logos.com/product/135990/lexham-discourse-handbooks For those of you who own these works, we'd love to hear your comments and questions in this group. If you find these resources helpful, please *leave a review on the product page* (linked below). That will help others know that they've valuable.Lexham Discourse Handbooks (3 vols.)The Lexham Discourse Handbook series guides readers through the Greek text, integrating insights from the Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament and Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament. These volumes on Colossians, 1–2 Thessalonians, and James show how various discourse devices contribute to the overall flow and structure of the books by providing a unifying analysis of each text.www.logos.com
- I posted a review. I've waited for a long time for these and thankful that they are finally here. Meeting my expectations.
- Dr. Runge, Are you guys working on another book of the Bible now? I love your commentary work and am hoping that we are not stuck with only 3 commentaries. I was wondering if something else was in the works? Thanks and look forward to your (or someone else that knows) response. Chris
- We have another conference volume in the works on Greek prepositions, how better understanding metaphorical representation will help us better understand the theological picture that the writers were creating, especially where there is a mismatch with English. The conference will be held at Tyndale House, Cambridge as with the verb volume, but (thankfully) there is no controversy about the topic. There was an SBL panel discussion in 2015 on linguistic approaches to preps., and all of us agreed this was the direction to go, but nothing accessible was available. I partnered with a PhD student at Cambridge (Will Ross) to pull together the same kind of cross-disciplinary conference as the Greek Verb Revisited volume. We hope that volume would appear in late 2018/early 2019. Other than that, not to much to report. I lost both of my folks in 2013 and 2015, and finally finished the estate matters last month. My current focus is the preposition conference. Thanks for the encouraging words about these projects, it means a lot more than you might expect. I have a number of project ideas that I'd like to pursue, and am trying to adjust things so there will be more time to devote to them but it is mostly hopes at this point. Thanks again!
- We should be announcing soon Josh Westbury's Hebrew Discourse Grammar-Foundations volume. It will be comparable to the first part of the Greek volume, but go into more detail because Josh is a better linguist than I am. Should be coming to prepub in the next month or so.
- The book is called Greek verbs revisited. It is more technical in nature than at least the discussions I have read by others on the subject of verbs. Dr R, sorry about your folks, praying for you. I'll be looking for the Hebrew book ! And can't wait for the prepositions project. Keep us posted on ideas maybe we can help with funding or anything else. Again, as a teaching pastor and language geek, you have blessed my ministry and teaching of intro Greek and Hebrew at a small seminary I'm an adjunct at!