Why is it that Logos rides the fence? Do they believe in the sovereignty of God or do they believe that dead and depraved men can actually make a choice for God? This is the place where you can find material from strong Bible teachers like John MacArthur and heretical teachers like N.T. Wright. I was on the verge of subscribing to Mobile Ed until I started watching these teachings by Mr. Witherington. I refuse to take in anything from a so-called teacher that believes it would be unloving for God to force His love on us. If God does not make the first move in eternity past then no one will ever come to Him. Has Mr. Witherington ever read Romans 3:10-11 or Romans 9:22-24? What about Romans 8:7 or 1 Corinthians 2:14? It is time for Logos to stop straddling the fence and either stand up for the sovereignty of God or the sovereignty of men. If the sovereignty of God them Mr. Witherington's teachings must go.
- I'm selecting this Mobile Ed course as my free one for Logos 9 based on your strong "recommendation" here. Always amusing how Calvinists get all worked up over their own ideology. God is Sovereign is not inconsistent with His CHOICE to let US have a choice.
- "...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Pet. 3:9b). This is the single most revealing verse, relative to this discussion. Here is demonstrated both the will of God and the will of man. God's will is that none perish. He provided the means by which man can escape the penalty of the perishing; namely, His Son Jesus. However, man's will is also seen in that he must "come" to that means of salvation. If there is no choice, no human decision, we are mere robots acting out an already decided conclusion. Does God, in His sovereignty, know the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning? Indeed He does. He is omniscient. But this does not negate the fact that man has the free will to select or reject the wooing of a loving God. If I am wrong, then God is schizophrenic and His word cannot be trusted. You cannot, at the same time, declare that you don't want ANY to perish and want ALL to come to repentance, but then pick and choose which ones actually repent or perish. As a father of 6, I would not want any of my children to perish, but neither would I be so cruel as to pick and choose which ones escape.
- Allen you are not reading that verse in context. Do you see the word usward before that statement? If you look at the beginning of Peter's letter you will see that it is written to believers. All that you stated is meaningless in light of the fact that God is not willing that any of His elect should perish. That is why this world continues. Not all of those that God has chosen have been saved yet. If it was God's will that none should perish then no one would be in hell today.