
Jeff Moss
Independent Bible student
- It is now January 2023, this product is designated as ‘In Production,’ and there has been no response from Logos regarding the issue I raised on 18 June 2022 (below) regarding the non-availability of a Logos Edition of the 2015 updated Amplified Bible text on which the Amplified Study Bible Notes are based. Logos staff need to respond to this problem to assist with purchasing decisions. As it stands, the overview provided – that refers clearly to the 2015 updated text – is misleading.
- Please accept my apologies, I have asked for the product description to be corrected. You have also asked about the availability of the updated Amplified Bible - currently we do not have the right to distribute that title.
- Thanks for clarifying the rather odd situation, Joe. Given that 73 words of the 178 words in the main description (i.e., before the ‘Features’ subheading) emphasize the significant changes in the updated (2015) Amplified translation – to which the notes are geared – it will be interesting to see how the product description can be corrected while making it clear that the updated Amplified translation, a core component of the printed version of the 2017 edition of the Amplified Study Bible, is not available from Logos and will not be for the foreseeable future.
- It is useful to have a Logos Edition of this translation which I have purchased. Anyone contemplating doing the same needs to be aware, however, that the Logos Research Edition does not include several important elements that appeared in the printed version of The Modern Language Bible: New Berkeley Version (1969; the ‘New’ in the title indicated that it was a revised version, while the Logos product is titled, The Modern Language Bible: Berkeley Version): (a) the extensive footnotes; (b) the Preface to the 1959 Edition and the Preface to the 1969 Edition; (c) the list of the translators involved; (d) the square brackets identifying passages that do not appear in modern Greek texts – such as Matthew 18:11 and Mark 16:9-20 – but which translator Gerritt Verkuyl considered should remain in his translation, and were explained in the footnotes (instead of square brackets, the Logos Edition has those passages in italics, but with no explanation that I could find as to what the italics indicate). These exclusions (and there may be others) are a significant drawback for a “research edition,” particularly the loss of the footnotes which Verkuyl considered essential. In essence, the Logos Edition, derived from the word search Corp. database, consists only of the translated Bible text and nothing else.
- Buyer beware. This product is incorporates the outdated 1987 edition of the Amplified Bible. The Amplified Bible text was updated in 2015 but, seven years down the track, Logos does not offer that 2015 text as a product. As noted in the promotional description for the Amplified Bible Study Notes (2017), a separate Logos product (which does not include the 2015 text): "Now the updated Amplified translation is even easier to read and better than ever to study and understand. It includes more amplification in the Old Testament and refined amplification in the New Testament. Additionally, the Bible text has been improved to read smoothly with or without amplifications, so that the text may be read either way." it would be useful (and make sense) if the 2015 edition of the Amplified Bible was offered by Logos, not just the 2017 Amplified Study Bible that is based on it.
- A print copy of the Amplified Study Bible (2017) includes the 2015 updated text of the Amplified Bible. As usual with Logos Editions of study Bibles, this Logos product includes only the notes from the Amplified Study Bible and not the Amplified Bible text (this makes sense as it allows the Bible text and the Notes to be used side-by-side on Logos). It is odd, however, that the only Amplified Bible product available from Logos is the 1987 edition and not the updated 2015 edition. As the descriptive text above states: "Now the updated Amplified translation is even easier to read and better than ever to study and understand. It includes more amplification in the Old Testament and refined amplification in the New Testament. Additionally, the Bible text has been improved to read smoothly with or without amplifications, so that the text may be read either way." Including this in the promotional material for the "notes only" product infers something that is false. If you purchase these study Bible notes from Logos, you have to use them alongside the outdated Amplified Bible text. This makes no sense to me and detracts from the product. Can anyone explain why the complementary updated Amplified Bible (already seven years old) is not being made available by Logos? On the other hand, maybe I have misunderstood and the updated Amplified Bible text is included with this product. If so, it would be useful for that to be clarified on this page.
- Makes sense what you wrote. I have deleted my order because I noticed that the Amplified was not updated with the 2015 "update", so my old AMP. remained the same. It makes no sense whatsoever.
- Well gee! And I was seriously considering purchasing this bible. But who wants outdated? Come on Logos, get with it!
- I am surprised that this resource is spending so long in the Gathering Interest phase of Pre-Pub. After reading various sections of the book available in the ‘preview’ format on Google Books – including the Introduction by the editors which reviews each of the chapters and is available in full – it is clear to me that this is an important and innovative collection of academic essays examining ways in which John appears to have made substantial and creative use of Mark’s earlier work in structuring and composing his own. It presents, therefore, a strong challenge to the idea that John was a work independent of any of the Synoptic Gospels. This is a major, recent – and, from my perspective, long overdue – contribution to the study of the Gospels, yet it languishes on the lower end of the Gathering Interest spectrum. Also, the cost of the Logos Edition is far less than the prices listed for both the print edition and alternative digital editions available online (e.g., Kindle). Here’s hoping this challenging volume soon achieves the status of Almost Funded then In Production. In order to read and study the complete book, I would prefer the power of a Logos Edition instead of having to purchase a print or Kindle edition.
- When purchasing the Logos Edition of Barth’s Church Dogmatics, I found the publishing history provided helpful background. That history is explained briefly in an editorial review on Amazon.com for the 2010 Henrickson edition (which reproduced the earlier T&T Clark edition, the basis for the Logos Edition): “Karl Barth's Church Dogmatics is, arguably, the most important theological publication of the 20th Century. Reacting against staunchly entrenched German Idealism, Barth sought to articulate a Christian theology that took seriously and yet overcame the critique of Christianity brought forth by 19th Century Protestant Liberalism. Most believe he succeeded to a great extent, and in doing so re-established an orthodox theology's ability to speak positively and confidently about faith, reason, and God in Jesus Christ. “Since its publication in the United States, the Dogmatics has remained relatively inaccessible to pastors, students, and even many professors due to its cost. That is now changing. Hendrickson Publishers, with its publication [2010] of the 14-volume set of the Church Dogmatics, has overcome this obstacle by providing an economic, hardback edition. Hendrickson is reproducing the original 14-volume set edited by T.F. Torrance and G.W. Bromiley, first published more than forty years ago by T&T Clark [1975; first T&T Clark paperback edition 2004, the basis for the Logos Edition]. The new edition will contain the entire 14-volume set and all its contents as it was originally published by T&T Clark. Barth's extensive notes will also remain, most of which remain in their original languages.”