• Hello fellow Christians, I am new to the NT331 book study group and hope to grow in my faith by taking this course. Also I am fairly new to Logos as I am a transfer from WordSearch. I enjoy learning all I can about Logos so I jumped in with both feet, became a Platinum Reformed member, taking advantage of the discounts offered for the transferees and am signed up for the training through MP Seminars. I have reviewed the transfer training videos, all 3 of them several times.
    1. I am frustrated, I have the 2nd edition of the NICNT of Romans by Douglas Moo, but the course says it is locked as if I don't have it, because it wants to open in the first edition, is there any way to fix this in the courses? I have found this problem in my Greek course as well.
      1. Sorry for the frustration. The 2nd edition wasn't published until after the course had been released, so fixing it will require us to add new links to it whenever we link to the first edition. We have to do this occasionally when publishers release new editions of books, but it will be difficult to prioritize this since the 1st edition is still available.
      2. A solution would be to give the first edition of resources along with the 2nd edition that we have purchased .
      3. , I can pass that request on to the relevant team, but that commentary series is owned by another publisher so I'm guessing we may not be able to just give it away.
    2. 22 δικαιοσύνη δὲ θεοῦ διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, εἰς πάντας τοὺς πιστεύοντας, οὐ γάρ ἐστιν διαστολή. 23 πάντες γὰρ ἥμαρτον καὶ ὑστεροῦνται τῆς δόξης τοῦ θεοῦ, Holmes, M. W. (2011–2013). The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition (Ro 3:22–23). Lexham Press; Society of Biblical Literature. In my study of Romans, and learning Greek I feel like the section in Romans 3:22 which most translations normally translate "διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ" to 'through faith of Jesus Christ', should actually be translated as 'through faithfulness of Jesus Christ.' Both are Genitive and would allow for it, in fact some translations like the NET bible and the CEB actually do translate as the 'through faithfulness of Jesus Christ' I bring this up because the very next section of wording is 'for all who believe' would really be, and this is me trying to put it charitably, attempting to drive home the point, and at worse being redundant, but I don't think Paul is doing this here, I think the reason why it's actually faithfulness here is because as he states right after this, is that we all fall short. It is only God and His saving work that brings us salvation. It was Christ's faithfulness, His obedience to the point of death that the righteousness of God could be revealed. This is what Paul is attempting to build I think. What do you think?
      1. Something that confused me in Segment 5 were these instructions "Open an Exegetical Guide on Rom 1:5. Click on the phrase “of faith” in the English portion of the Word by Word section. Click on “genitive of source” and read the description for this grammatical construction. Go to the Grammars section of the Exegetical Guide and read about how other grammarians classify this construction. Now, execute a search to find everywhere the word pistis occurs in the genitive form. Record below which grammarian you agree with for the occurrence in Rom 1:5 and include other verses with this construction to support your argument." I was uncertain how to Go to the Grammars section of the Exegetical Guide and read about how other grammarians classify this construction and to search to find everywhere the word pistis occurs in the genitive form, and the lower section didn't show me how to do that, has anyone else been able to figure this out, or am I just not technology savvy?
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          The Suggested Reading list , as many have noted, is missing in text format, but it is available as an Excel file. I have copied the content of that file and uploaded it to this group's files section , as a PDF. I hope it can be accessed and is of some help. Please note the list of books is in the order of the excel document, which is different to the list on the page advertising this course. (I did not change the order myself).
          1. Thanks Ejay! I was able to click on the Content folder to the left and choose Files. I signed in and found the PDF of the booklist you uploaded. Very helpful. Personally, I call lists like this "Book Lists" or "Reference Lists" as opposed to "Reading Lists." The list is large and it's primarily composed of reference books. And 40+ of those books are only referenced once in the course.
          2. Also, This course has helped me discover some excellent resources in my logos collection. One notable example is An Introduction to the New Testament: Contexts, Methods and Ministry Formation by DeSilva.
        2. Like others, I'm finding it difficult to locate the reading list for this course. I looked under Logos documents and clicked the 331 notes. It told me I did not have a copy of this document. Indeed, precisely the point.
          1. It is available as an Excel file, the other one definitely seems to be missing.
          2. Thank you for the direction. I'll keep looking.😊
        3. I am lost on the Segment 5 Activities: Challenge: Investigating Uses of the Genitive Construction “of Faith”. I can't get the program to follow the instructions given where I am to "read about how other grammarians classify this construction".
          1. I don't know if this will help... I ran an exegetical guide on Romans 1:5. I clicked on the word πιστεως in the passage. (I don't think you have to do that first) I scrolled down and opened the Grammars tab. The readout referenced an article on the Objective Genitive in Robertson (A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in Light of Historical Research). This work isn't organized like a typical grammar, I had to read a chunk of this article to understand what the author was saying. Robertson just called the "of Faith" construction in Rom 1:5 a Subjective Genitive in that article to contrast it with his discussion of the Objective Genitive. The exegetical guide also referenced Wallace (Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) and Wallace suggested a potential Genitive of Production. That was helpful. Wallace is more specific and precise. Those are the only two grammars that my Logos Exegetical search surfaced. I don't know if those are the only two grammars in my library that reference Romans 1:5.
        4. I am having the same issue as the person below. I am unable to get the reading notes document, even after clicking "Actions." Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
          1. I can find the link to the reading notes but when I go there it says "you don't have a copy of this document."
            1. i'm going through the course now. but I am not sure what you are talking about.do you mean the reading list links, or, after you open up the reading resource, you see the yellow sticky-note style icon that links to a note file? I can do all of those, but initially I struggled to open resources to read because I had only partially downloaded my library. Now it all works fine. (also, you might try searching www.logos.com/forums for NT331, which is what I did, to figure out some things related to that.
            2. Thank you Friedrich. I was getting the "you don't have a copy of this document" message, like other people who have posted here. However, when working through the resources I also found the yellow notes, so presumably that is the same as the notes document. Appreciate your reply. Hope you're enjoying the study!
            3. P.S. I hadn't realised that the sticky notes icon links across to another file, so that's helpful information. Thanks.
          2. Good evening. I was directed here to get the NT331 reading list. I don't see a file anywhere. Would someone direct me?
            1. You can find it under Bible Study > Logos Documents.