Wayne Grudem
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God's faithfulness means that God will always do what He said and fulfill what He has promised.
Follow- A (relatively) new video of an interview with Wayne has been posted on YouTube.
- can we really trust?It seems that this "all or nothing" approach is much more prone to break the trust in God. When people become convinced that one very irrelevant aspect of the "all" they had been taught to believe doesn't hold, it switches over to "nothing" (see Bart Ehrman and many such stories).
Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible DoctrineOnce we become convinced that God has spoken falsely to us in some minor matters in Scripture, then we realize that God is capable of speaking falsely to us. - doubts about scriptureMaybe this is right. But then, maybe that's exactly the point. I'm thinking of Luther's attitude towards the book of James. While I do think he was wrong about James, his rationale (is it something that puts Christ forward?) has a point.Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible DoctrineIf there are any sections of Scripture about which we have doubts whether they are God’s words or not, we will not consider them to have absolute divine authority and we will not trust them as much as we would trust God himself
- canon 2What about Christians who lived prior to the completion of Scripture, or who live without access to a written bible? What about he fact that the bible is more than just a collection of propositions we are to trust and commands we are to obey?Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible DoctrineIf we are to trust and obey God absolutely we must have a collection of words that we are certain are God’s own words to us
- It seems this group is set up in a way that Community Notes are not visible (at least I don't see the CN indicators for CNs I made in the Systematic Theology resource and shared with this group), weird.
- canonGrudem's approach seems to suggest a binary scale: all of God's/godly communication outside of the canon is meaningless, all inside the canon is of the same value. This doesn't reflect progressive revelation and orders of relevance within the canon, nor the blurring at the fringes of canon (deuterocanonical books).Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible DoctrineIf we are to trust and obey God absolutely we must have a collection of words that we are certain are God’s own words to us
- The words of the prophetsthis actually doesn’t follow from the texts and the arguments. It’s rather the other way round: - people may claim that God has given them words to communicate, but sometimes they will do so wrongly. The prophets need to be tested, a certain scepticism may be warranted (especially if the ‘prophetic word of God’ fits too nicely into the rulers’ and kings’ agenda) - God gives real prophets a true message but warns them that it will not be considered authoritative but will be mocked Maybe I'm overly critical here, but I feel the argument will run into a very hard inerrancy position and I don't like the direction, but also think the persuasiveness is lackingSystematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible DoctrineGod’s words spoken through human lips were considered to be just as authoritative and just as true as God’s words of personal address
- Christ the Word of GodThis one sentence (which could be proof-texted with Jn 14:9) somewhat undermines the stated approach to ST "throw together everything you think you find about any topic in scripture and organize it" and would rather ask for a lightly more red-letter approach, or as Luther would have said "whatever drives Christ", that's the real and good thing.Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible Doctrineamong the members of the Trinity it is especially God the Son who in his person as well as in his words has the role of communicating the character of God to us and of expressing the will of God for us.
- This example is bad. The composer of Ps 119 may have spontaneously broken out in praise - this we don't know - but what we know of his work, the actual psalm, is carefully and diligently crafted which surely took its time. We could argue that his delight in God's word was strong enough to even fuel such an artistic, sustained and difficult project. (And he was not conducting a study of systematic theology as Grudem defined it above, either.)Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Bible Doctrineit should not surprise us if we often find our hearts spontaneously breaking forth in expressions of praise and delight like those of the psalmist
