• Was asked to justify taking the Bible for granted [I do know who asked but can not find that post] There is a prophecy in Daniel chapter 2 that is interesting. The basic story goes that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, had a dream. And he wanted to know the meaning of that dream. I read the text as that he would not tell the dream to his wise men. Others read the text as that he forgot the dream. He told the wise men to tell him the dream and its meaning or die. Only Daniel, with his friends, was able to tell. Daniel told of an image of a man made of several metals. What is interesting to this discussion is that the feet were made of iron mixed with clay. The meaning of the several metals are of kingdoms starting with Babylon and ending, by most commentaries, with Rome as Rome was a nation of Iron. Many commentaries state that as the feet are made of iron and clay that after Rome there will be no world power such as the empires represented by the several metals. They base that on the fact that iron and clay do not hold together so that there will be no people that hold together after Rome. The story took place about 603 BC. And Daniel would have written it down sometime before about 530 BC. And since the fall of Rome no group has been able to gain the control that Rome and those other kingdoms held. Rome fell sometime around 530AD. Thus a prophecy that has held for almost 1500 years that was written a thousand years before the fall of Rome. Thus a key example that the Bible can be trusted and is true. However Mr. Sceptic Yes, there are those that claim that although Daniel lived till sometime around 530 BC that the book that we know as Daniel was not written until about 168 BC. But anyway that version of the Prophecy has still stood the test of time for nearly 1500 years just that it was written only 600 years before Rome fell. However there were at least six copies of Daniel found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Had Daniel just been written a few years before they started collecting scrolls why would they have included so many copies of Daniel? A book that they would have known to be a fake. The answer is that they saw Daniel as old – 400 years old. Oh and what is a very common building material today? Concrete – A mixture of Iron a Clay. [[Any one else still here?  Am going though the book and finding more that I can answer then I could 2 years back.  But it is going to take forever to answer everything]]
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    1. Thank you Dave. I especially liked how you expanded on Harrison's definition to include money, power etc. That's a nice way to acknowledge the validity in Harrison's statement while making it clear that it is secondary to God (singular).
      1. Still more comments on Chapter One: ""Why would any god who wished to share himself and his message with the world make himself invisible and silent to billions?"" Some Christian Churches teach that we will be Judged on what we know. Did we see though where what we were taught was wrong? For example: Jihad as taught by the "terrorists". Is it right or wrong to kill "soft targets" because those soft targets have been indoctrinated in the wrong way and because we can not hit the true targets - those that are teaching those wrong ways? Maybe, to get to Heaven, we need to figure out what the truth is? [[Am rereading.]]
      2. Thanks for keeping this going. Have been 'occupied'.
      3. What if we defined hell out of existence? Harrison was all upset that God selected who would burn in hell. Solution: get rid of hell. See Q 01 on Burning in Hell.
    2. Your thoughts on religious discussion in the public forums? Do you agree with Harrison that its biased against non-believers?
      1. I may put some ideas into the note document, however, what occurred to me during reading this chapter was that some things are blatantly false. Within the Christian sphere, the religious convictions of presidential candidates are regularly discussed. There have been much debates and even books (I think one is available on Vyrso) regarding "Is it okay for a Christian to vote for a Mormon?" And I think that the instances of someone visiting church where the preacher had some non-mainstream thoughts have been covered in the news even in Germany. Harrison has one point in that culture was shaped by Christian values for centuries and thus it may simply be showing that one is part of that culture when a politician makes some weak references to the bible. But I wonder why he wonders that the atheist crusade to make the public forum a religion-free zone comes accross as rude (and taking away some of the foundation of the Western culture without any adequate replacement).
    3. “In attempting to say who Jesus is, the best we can do is to utter words provoked by the collective attempts to do so over the centuries-- a choral work we cannot possibly translate back into a few phrases, any more than we can assume that a concert is adequately described by its listing in the program, or that a painting is interchangeable with its title. Reading the program or the museum's catalogue, we have no notion of what actually was performed or displayed. We can extend the metaphor: a literal reading of the Bible amounts to little more than what we learn from a concert program, or even the score. It is the symphonic whole that bears the meaning that nothing less can remotely capture.” ― James P. Carse, The Religious Case Against Belief
      1. How do you define or describe God and/or Jesus?
      2. That question is over my head. Maybe some of those "who have been silent" can start on that one. Maybe someone can give us an answer we all will accept?
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