Terry Thompson
- BEWARE March Madness Voters: Nearly HALF of this set is not yet published!!! Details: 17 (51%) of the 33 volumes of this set are published; 16 (49%) volumes of the set ARE NOT PUBLISHED so you are paying in advance for something you may not get for years. 2 (Revelation v 1 and 2) of the 16 unfinished volumes don’t even have a writer assigned to them yet.
- Very helpful, thanks Terry.
- I'm not sure why there are no individual product pages for the Revelation volumes, but they do have authors contracted: Jan Fekkes for Rev 1-11 and Tyler Milliken and James Beevers for Rev 12-22. All NT volumes are contracted. Of the unreleased half of the NT, a number of volumes are in editorial, but most are still out with authors.
- Is this pricing ($199.99) really correct for a training product that is primarily focused on the Logos 6 edition released in 2014? I just can't rationalize a $199.99 purchase given that we are now working with significant changes made to the engine and features from 2014 when Logos 6 was released to late 2022 when Logos 10 was released. What are the plans to update this content with Logos 10 features? It seems to me these training updates should be part of a master product management life cycle plan and training plan that is developed and released with each new version.
- I agree. It would be most beneficial to have the ENTIRE SERIES included in this series. In other words, it would be most beneficial to include the Surveying the Old Testament Historical Books (Learn the Word Bible Survey Series) at https://www.logos.com/product/218000/surveying-the-old-testament-historical-books also included in this set. After contacting Jack F. in Sales at Logos today, he informed me it is not included in the set due to publishers' restrictions. Odd that the same publisher of all the products doesn't want to group the series together. Perhaps Logos contract negotiators need to re-evaluate their approach on this series and attempt to reach out the publisher, Learning the Word Publishing, again to bring the entire series together under a single series purchase.
- While I recognize the Lexham Research Commentaries series is not the same as the Evangelical Exegetical Series (EEC), as Matt Hamrick mentions in his review on 8/2/2023, I might note that a careful review of the 16 volumes not yet published as of 8/18/2023 (see list of unpublished volumes details in this set below) produces the following observations: only one author of one unpublished volume is identified as "Contracted with Faithlife" as a contributing editor for Logos Mobile Education, eight authors of eleven unpublished volumes are faculty/missionaries employed by other entities, one author of two unpublished volumes has no current job title listed, and two volumes have no assigned authors. Why is this important? Because unpublished volumes written by authors employed by other entities (while possibly under contract with Lexham Press) are first committed to their current employers and may or may not produce their volumes in a timely manner (similar to the situation with EEC production). Obviously, the two volumes in Revelation that have no product page or apparently no author assigned to them will take a bit to produce since they are not yet even assigned or started. HENCE, again, I suggest purchasers ONLY PURCHASE PUBLISHED EDITIONS OUTRIGHT and purchase the remaining unpublished editions as PRE-PUB EDITIONS to take advantage of the discount while not being billed for the unpublished volumes until there is proof of publication. Of course, everyone may do as they choose; I'm simply stating this because of the lessons learned with the EEC which has been in production since 2009 and has only had approximately 25% of its content produced. Many paid in advance for the entire set and nearly 15 years later are still missing approximately 75% of the content they purchased in good faith. CAVEAT EMPTOR - Let the buyer beware. Here's the details on the unpublished Lexham Research Commentary editions available from the Logos website (product pages) as of 8/18/2023: RUTH Ships Q4-2023 Amy Balogh Lead Lecturer of Religious Studies at the Regis University College of Contemporary Liberal Studies EZRA In Production Kazuyuki Hayashi Associate Professor of Old Testament at Bethel Seminary DANIEL Ships Q4-2023 Wendy Widder Contracts with Faithlife as a contributing editor for Logos Mobile Education MATTHEW In Production H. Daniel Zacharias Associate Dean/Associate Professor of New Testament Studies at Acadia Divinity College MARK In Production Jeremy D. Otten Senior Researcher in New Testament at the Evangelische Theologische Faculteit, Leuven LUKE In Production David H. Wenkel Adjunct faculty for Trinity Evangelical Divinity School JOHN In Production Gary T. Manning Jr. Professor of New Testament and director of the M.Div. program at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University ACTS In Production David H. Wenkel Adjunct faculty for Trinity Evangelical Divinity School HEBREWS In Production Timothy Bertolet works with the missionary sending agency ABWE International JAMES In Production Tyler James Milliken Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia) 2 PETER Ships Q4-2023 Paul A. Himes No current job title identified 1 JOHN In Production Tyler James Milliken Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia) 2-3 JOHN In Production Tyler James Milliken Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia) JUDE Ships Oct 2023 Paul A. Himes No current job title identified REVELATION 1-11 No author assigned No author assigned No author assigned REVELATION 12-22 No author assigned No author assigned No author assigned Should someone have additional or new information available regarding this set, please cite your sources. All of the detailed information listed above comes directly from Logos' website product pages as of 8/18/2023.
- I apologize that this reply/clarification is a bit late, but I am the author (Paul A. Himes) of the LRC on 1 Peter (already published) and 2 Peter and Jude (forthcoming). My job title is "Professor of Bible and Ancient Languages" at Baptist College of Ministry/Baptist Theological Seminary, in Menomonee Falls, WI (I have been teaching here since 2014). Both the LRC for 2 Peter and Jude are completed, as far as my side of the equation goes, and have been so for a while. It is now in the final editing process.
- On September 9, 2010, John Dyer wrote the following of the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary (EEC) set: "In 2009, Logos, the company that makes one of the dominant Bible software packages, resurrected the [EEC] project and decided to make it 100% digital with print as a byproduct (they will offer paperback editions, but only in an abridged format)." On June 30, 2012, Zwinglius Redivivus wrote: "The Evangelical Exegetical Commentary is a brand new, 44-volume commentary series which incorporates the latest critical biblical scholarship and is written from a distinctly evangelical perspective. Published by Logos Bible Software, the EEC is the next standard commentary on the entire Bible for evangelicals. Like the Word Biblical Commentary and the Baker Exegetical Commentary, the EEC is written by a team of leading biblical scholars. Contributors to the EEC include Eugene Merril, Edward Glenny, Michael Stallard, Stanley E. Porter, John Oswalt, William Barrick, Eugene Carpenter, Richard Averbeck, R. Dennis Cole, H. Wayne House, and many others." So, folks, it's been since 2009 (or at the very least since June, 2012) that some have waited on the 44 volume set of the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary to be written, published, and downloaded to their Logos Library. To date, 11 of the 44 volumes have been published. While some will say 13 volumes have been published, one will find that four of the volumes published only include one of the two books from the Bible included in what is scheduled for that volume so, in essence, there are nine full volumes published and four 1/2 volumes published. When some have asked for refunds for unpublished editions, their requests have been either denied or ignored. Be careful in buying this 44-volume set since, after repeated requests for information from a number of people, Faithlife/Lexham Press/Logos has been reluctant to provide a publication timeline for the remaining 31 full volumes and 4 1/2 volumes. To date, there are still some volumes that don't even have an assigned writer. Now, you might understand the hesitancy to recommend the full set. On a brighter note, the 9 full and 4 partial volumes that have been written, published, and downloaded by Faithlife/Lexham Press/Logos are outstanding works that should be studied. My recommendation: only purchase published and downloadable resources from Logos. If you want to purchase resources currently unavailable, purchase them as PRE-PUB purchases (so you only pay for them when they are released and downloaded to your library) instead of advance pays like the full 44-volume set of EEC.
- Dear Terry, I agree 100% with your comments. Where has the truth gone? Only promises which disappear without mentioned reasons or comments. But the money has been taken from the buyers and is still taken through the continued offer of the EEC. There are words in the dictionary for such behavior.
- I have spent 25+ years building my Logos library and replacing my paper books, not to mention the 5+ digit numbers ($), but this issue increased my doubts to keep investing in Logos. I can’t trust their words anymore.
- I'm looking forward to Stanley Porter's contribution to this series.
- Consider the Lexham Research Commentaries: Paul's Letters Collection (https://www.logos.com/product/27493/lexham-research-commentaries-pauls-letters-collection) and you'll get 13 of the 17 published editions. The good news is all of these editions are published so you are getting exactly what you pay for. No "pay now and wait forever" plan like many of us have experienced with the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary set (only 11--if you count the four volumes that are only half published as two "complete" volumes--of the 44 volumes have been published in over FOURTEEN YEARS). On September 9, 2010, John Dyer wrote the following of the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary (EEC) set: "In 2009, Logos, the company that makes one of the dominant Bible software packages, resurrected the [EEC] project and decided to make it 100% digital with print as a byproduct (they will offer paperback editions, but only in an abridged format)." So, folks, it's been since 2009 that some have waited on the 44 volume set of the Evangelical Exegetical Commentary set. When some have asked for refunds for unpublished editions, their requests have been either denied or ignored. Now, perhaps you can understand the hesitancy in purchasing, in full, a commentary set that is only 51.5% available now--you are financing the remaining 49.5% of the work up-front with no commitment to a timeline, or for that matter, fulfillment at all. Let the buyer beware of purchasing from Faithlife/Logos/Lexham Press that are not yet published and available for immediate download; by their practice, it is unclear whether or not they will fulfill on their commitment to publish and make available future "publications."
- Thanks Terry, so good to know there's someone wide awake with regards to Logos publishing. Keep on writing.