• Hi All, The Syllabus says to "download a Notes document that highlights the readings for this course, join the NT331 Faithlife group: https://faithlife.com/nt331" I have download the file - excel, and have excel program, but it won't open. I have looked a the PDF that was posted. Is that it just a list of books. If so what a wast of time, firstly the file won't open and secondly what a wast of time if it is simply a random list of dictionaries and commentaries without page numbers or reference links. Wasted hour. Come on Logos do better or don't include it all.

    2. Followed link etc... and got blank, see below. I maybe still going at it all wrong, but anyhow back to study NT331—Readings Notebook • Shared (1 group) You do not have a copy of this document.

    3. Strangely that notebook was not present when I looked it up a few minutes ago - I shared my copy to the group, now there are two. Maybe it was broken when you looked. Anyway - you need to connect to the document under the button "Actions". Then you will have a notebook in your Notes tool which - assuming the visual filter settings are "on" for notes from this notebook - puts a blue line to the side of every text that is referenced from the course (i.e. you'll know the sections to read).

    4. Hey Tom, FYI Another pathway to this notebook is to open your "Documents" in Logos. At the top of this pop-up note the "Yours", "Groups", & "Public". Select "Groups". Make sure the left column is visible with the "Hamburger" icon (Top Left Corner), look for "NT331 Group" in the left column list of Groups. Once this is selected both copies (Dr. Moo & NB.Mick) of the notebook become visible. Right click either notebook and "Add to Your Docs" or highlight either and click the "Add to your Docs" icon at the top of the panel.

  • Just purchased Logos 10 Gold May 2023. New to Logos awesomely impressed with the software.

    1. Greeting my brothers and sisters in faith. I've enjoyed my journey through Romans so far and am now working through segment 3. (The reason for Romans.) In addition to the reasons outlined by Dr. Moo, which are all possible, I was thinking there is another explanation. By the time Paul wrote, the gospel accounts (at least Mark, and maybe Matthew if one goes with the earlier dates) had been written, and the life of Jesus was well documented. Luke likely wrote his gospel a few years after Paul wrote Romans. I don't think we should engage Romans as if Paul and other church figures like Luke and Peter did not talk. We certainly know that the paths of Paul and Luke (among others) often intertwined. I could hear the conversation now: "Ya know Luke, we have a good account of Lord Jesus, but there are some other sources out there. How about you run those down and complete that account. Meanwhile, I've been thinking about what the life of Jesus and his death and resurrection mean to both Jew and Gentile. I been synthesizing that story a long time, and I have a burning desire to write it down." Luke replies, "Well Paul, you wanted to stop by Rome on the way to Spain. They are having a bit of a tiff between Jew and Gentile, maybe writing them would do some good and you can get all that down on paper, and I'll go work on investigating the life of our Savior and getting that written down as well." Of course, that is fictitious and there is no way to directly see such a conversation. Indirectly, thought, there are hints sprinkled though out Romans. In Romans, Paul constantly refers to facts about Jesus that were written down in the gospels and builds on them. While the gospels document the life of our Lord and Savior, Romans explains the gospel as part of God's grand design to rescue both Jew and Gentile. What is my point? I think Paul's purpose was to write down, in a clear methodical manner, a synthesis of God's plan for Jew and Gentile. In the end, Paul makes the point it is really just one plan. I don't think Roman was a last will and testament, as some have called it. Rather, Paul had such a clear synthesis of everything in his head, heart, and soul, that he had to get it written down. The need to visit and help the Romans was just God's perfect timing at work. Any way, thanks for listening, and appreciate your thoughts. God bless, Tim

      1. Convincing

      2. i just started this study, but am also doing another study in which we discussed the purpose of Paul's writing Romans. I really like how you distilled my thoughts! Thank you! Mine was way too wordy.

      3. Hey Timothy, Appreciate your thoughts! The conversation you postulate as possibly occurring, may have taken place at the Council in Jerusalem (circa 49AD) referenced in Gal 2. Before either was penned.

    2. Hello fellow Christians, I am new to the NT331 book study group and hope to grow in my faith by taking this course. Also I am fairly new to Logos as I am a transfer from WordSearch. I enjoy learning all I can about Logos so I jumped in with both feet, became a Platinum Reformed member, taking advantage of the discounts offered for the transferees and am signed up for the training through MP Seminars. I have reviewed the transfer training videos, all 3 of them several times.

      1. I am frustrated, I have the 2nd edition of the NICNT of Romans by Douglas Moo, but the course says it is locked as if I don't have it, because it wants to open in the first edition, is there any way to fix this in the courses? I have found this problem in my Greek course as well.

        2. Sorry for the frustration. The 2nd edition wasn't published until after the course had been released, so fixing it will require us to add new links to it whenever we link to the first edition. We have to do this occasionally when publishers release new editions of books, but it will be difficult to prioritize this since the 1st edition is still available.

        3. A solution would be to give the first edition of resources along with the 2nd edition that we have purchased .

        4. , I can pass that request on to the relevant team, but that commentary series is owned by another publisher so I'm guessing we may not be able to just give it away.

      2. 22 δικαιοσύνη δὲ θεοῦ διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, εἰς πάντας τοὺς πιστεύοντας, οὐ γάρ ἐστιν διαστολή. 23 πάντες γὰρ ἥμαρτον καὶ ὑστεροῦνται τῆς δόξης τοῦ θεοῦ, Holmes, M. W. (2011–2013). The Greek New Testament: SBL Edition (Ro 3:22–23). Lexham Press; Society of Biblical Literature. In my study of Romans, and learning Greek I feel like the section in Romans 3:22 which most translations normally translate "διὰ πίστεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ" to 'through faith of Jesus Christ', should actually be translated as 'through faithfulness of Jesus Christ.' Both are Genitive and would allow for it, in fact some translations like the NET bible and the CEB actually do translate as the 'through faithfulness of Jesus Christ' I bring this up because the very next section of wording is 'for all who believe' would really be, and this is me trying to put it charitably, attempting to drive home the point, and at worse being redundant, but I don't think Paul is doing this here, I think the reason why it's actually faithfulness here is because as he states right after this, is that we all fall short. It is only God and His saving work that brings us salvation. It was Christ's faithfulness, His obedience to the point of death that the righteousness of God could be revealed. This is what Paul is attempting to build I think. What do you think?

        1. Something that confused me in Segment 5 were these instructions "Open an Exegetical Guide on Rom 1:5. Click on the phrase “of faith” in the English portion of the Word by Word section. Click on “genitive of source” and read the description for this grammatical construction. Go to the Grammars section of the Exegetical Guide and read about how other grammarians classify this construction. Now, execute a search to find everywhere the word pistis occurs in the genitive form. Record below which grammarian you agree with for the occurrence in Rom 1:5 and include other verses with this construction to support your argument." I was uncertain how to Go to the Grammars section of the Exegetical Guide and read about how other grammarians classify this construction and to search to find everywhere the word pistis occurs in the genitive form, and the lower section didn't show me how to do that, has anyone else been able to figure this out, or am I just not technology savvy?

          1.  — Edited

            The Suggested Reading list , as many have noted, is missing in text format, but it is available as an Excel file. I have copied the content of that file and uploaded it to this group's files section , as a PDF. I hope it can be accessed and is of some help. Please note the list of books is in the order of the excel document, which is different to the list on the page advertising this course. (I did not change the order myself).

            1. Thanks Ejay! I was able to click on the Content folder to the left and choose Files. I signed in and found the PDF of the booklist you uploaded. Very helpful. Personally, I call lists like this "Book Lists" or "Reference Lists" as opposed to "Reading Lists." The list is large and it's primarily composed of reference books. And 40+ of those books are only referenced once in the course.

            2. Also, This course has helped me discover some excellent resources in my logos collection. One notable example is An Introduction to the New Testament: Contexts, Methods and Ministry Formation by DeSilva.

          2. Like others, I'm finding it difficult to locate the reading list for this course. I looked under Logos documents and clicked the 331 notes. It told me I did not have a copy of this document. Indeed, precisely the point.
            1. It is available as an Excel file, the other one definitely seems to be missing.

            2. Thank you for the direction. I'll keep looking.😊

          3. I am lost on the Segment 5 Activities: Challenge: Investigating Uses of the Genitive Construction “of Faith”. I can't get the program to follow the instructions given where I am to "read about how other grammarians classify this construction".

            1. I don't know if this will help... I ran an exegetical guide on Romans 1:5. I clicked on the word πιστεως in the passage. (I don't think you have to do that first) I scrolled down and opened the Grammars tab. The readout referenced an article on the Objective Genitive in Robertson (A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in Light of Historical Research). This work isn't organized like a typical grammar, I had to read a chunk of this article to understand what the author was saying. Robertson just called the "of Faith" construction in Rom 1:5 a Subjective Genitive in that article to contrast it with his discussion of the Objective Genitive. The exegetical guide also referenced Wallace (Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics) and Wallace suggested a potential Genitive of Production. That was helpful. Wallace is more specific and precise. Those are the only two grammars that my Logos Exegetical search surfaced. I don't know if those are the only two grammars in my library that reference Romans 1:5.