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A group for users of Logos Bible Software to discuss the Notes tool.
- Here’s an edited version of today’s webinar: https://faithlifetv.com/items/626730. We hope it’s helpful. Please post your follow-up questions and feedback to this group, and we’ll do our best to answer and address them as quickly as we can.2/13 Logos 8 Notes WebinarWatch "2/13 Logos 8 Notes Webinar" on Faithlife TV, the premier video library for everyone—students, kids, families, and Bible enthusiasts.faithlifetv.com
- Welcome to the Logos Notes group. This is a place for users of Logos Bible Software to talk about the new Notes tool in the Logos desktop, web, and mobile apps. Share and learn tips, ask and answer questions, and show some of the cool ways you’re using Notes to help you do better Bible study—and let us know how we can make Logos Notes even better.
- "Upcoming Features We intend to work on the functionality below in roughly the following order. Your feedback can help us prioritize the most important features next. ... 2. Hyperlink to local files." Yes, hyperlink to local files. I really need this feature that I used extensively in the old system, but sadly it is broken in the new notes. Any update?
- Use case for linking notes to other notes: Zettelkasten A couple of days ago I posted here a question on how to link a note with a note. My behind-the-scenes goal was to see whether not one could implement Zettelkasten data structures in Logos. Now that I know how to link notes (see previous message) I'm going to post about Zettelkasten. I'm going to use the word "Zettelkasten" sloppily. I'm working from the understanding of Zettelkasten I got from _How to Take Smart Notes_, by Sonke Ahrens. There's a lot material out there about Zettelkasten. I'm not going to discuss definitions, etc., etc. It's quite possible I misunderstood Ahrens, so don't blame him, go read him. The primary point I took from Ahrens is that the core of Zettelkasten is the *workflow,* not the data structures that support the workflow. (It was originally implemented using boxes and boxes of (roughly) 4 x 6 cards (zettel is a slip of paper, kasten is some form of the word "box" -- hence, slip-boxes). People have developed or used many pieces of software to implement Zettelkasten.) The purpose of the system is *not* to remember what you've read better, but to build an engine for a sort of automatic correlation and discovery of insights. The workflow, very briefly, follows. Quotations are from Ahrens: 1. Collect brief "fleeting" notes as you read or do stuff. 2. Each day or so go through your brief notes and selectively write "literature notes." "Write down what you don’t want to forget or think you might use in your own thinking or writing. Keep it very short, be extremely selective, and use your own words." Include reference info. 3. Write permanent notes. "Write exactly one note for each idea and write as if you were writing for someone else: Use full sentences, disclose your sources, make references and try to be as precise, clear and brief as possible. Throw away the fleeting notes from step one and put the literature notes from step two into your reference system. You can forget about them now." 4. "Now add your new permanent notes to the slip-box." The "slip-box" is whatever data repository you are using. Adding the notes to the slip-box includes linking notes to each other, tagging notes, indexing notes, etc. The (to me) radical things are: - You write your permanent notes as if you are writing for someone else. Full sentences and references, the whole nine yards. This principle made my head hurt. - Each note contains one and only one idea. - You link notes to each other. The goal is for the collection of notes to organize itself from the bottom up. Putting your new notes into the Zettelkasten requires you to selectively sift through your relevant notes, thinking of relationships among them. The workflow says you are doing this every few days, as you continue to make and insert new notes. Kinda like chewing your intellectual cud. Ahrens mentions goals of three to six notes a day, not huge volumes of notes. The data structures to support this system are few and simple. The magic (if there is any) is in the continuing *practice*of the workflow. Anyhow, the repository (implemented on paper or electronically) requires these: 1. The slip-box itself, containing the permanent notes 2. The file of source references 3. Links from individual permanent notes to others 4. Links from individual permanent notes to their associated source references 5. Topical tags of individual notes 6. Index entries pointing at entry points into the network of linked notes It seems that Logos can implement all these, though the note-to-note linking looks to be labor intensive.
Clark Wilson — EditedYours is quite a developed system! I'm a retiree doing dribs and drabs of reading in this and that. People can learn more about Zettelkasten at https://zettelkasten.de/ (which is almost all in English). I think "easy" in the site tagline overstates it a bit. :-)
Mary-Ellen — EditedIn my Word docs, I insert hyperlinks to the Logos resources that I'm quoting from: Jones 2012, p 25: "quote quote quote quote" [with a hyperlink behind "25"] In case you aren't familiar with hyperlinks in Word: select the page number "25", then on the Insert menu, choose "Link". That opens a dialog box for you to paste in the link for the destination (i.e., to the place in my Logos resource that is the source of the quote). To get that link from Logos, select the text in the Logos resource. Then on the panel menu (three vertical dots at upper right), choose "Copy Location as". Now the link text is on your clipboard, and you can go back to your Word doc and paste it in the dialog box. When you come back to your doc later and want to find that quote in Logos, click on the hyperlink you've created and it will open the resource in Logos, with the quote at the top of the "page" on the screen. If you don't have anything highlighted in the resource when you "Copy Location," it will still create a link. It will just open Logos to the top of the "page" as you see it on the screen. Because I'm creating docs for my personal use on my own computer, I use the "L4" format. This behaves the way I want my links to work. You can experiment to see which link format works best for you. I do this so much that my fingers know the keyboard shortcuts without thinking: Ctrl-K to open the Word hyperlink dialog box; Ctrl-Alt-C to "Copy Location" in Logos. Hope that helps!
- How to link a note to another note? This may be very easy to do but I can't figure out how to do it, despite much head scratching and help reading. The goal is that I have two existing notes, A and B. I would like to create a clickable link in note A that would open note B.
Clark Wilson — EditedThank you very much for the instructions, Lawrence Rafferty . There are traces (pasted URLs/L4s) in my notes of my having gone down this path, but I gave up. I successfully did my goal (clickable link in note A that opens to note B). I put the edited URL into note A by pasting it. When I did that and then clicked elsewhere, the URL turned blue and is treated like a link. It even displays note B's text when I hover over the link. Minor details, and a question for extra credit: Detail: The link button in the toolbar (for me, to the right of the indentation buttons and to the left of the subscript button) is grayed out for me unless I move the cursor into the URL text *after* having pasted it. At that point it becomes available but if I click on it it displays the URL text (selected) in a little pop-up with a "save" button next to it. So far as I can tell the save button does nothing at all. Extra credit: Right now the link as displayed in note A is the URL. Is there a way I can replace that with a nicer display text? Analogous to <a href="https://www.blah.com">blah</a> some combination of square brackets? The hover text is very helpful and means that this display text thing is low priority.
- The save button changes the destination of the link (the href), but it doesn't change the link text. The way I did it is to first type the nice text you want hyperlinked, then select it, then click the hyperlink button on the toolbar, paste the URL and click save. You can also use the ctrl/cmd+k keyboard shortcut to open the hyperlink menu.
- Thanks again! I'll play around with it.
- Good evening all! I have run into a hurdle in community notes over which I seem unable to leap. My goals are simple and are as follows: 1. Create notes in a predefined text visible only to those within my Faithlife group. 2. Have others be able to create and share notes visible to others within the group. 3. Be able to do all of the above from the Logos Mobile App (as I am the only member of my group with an actual computer). I know there used to be a way to do this, but I cannot seem to find it. Has this feature been removed or is it hidden?
- I'm having an issue with my notes I have Logos 8.13 on a Windows 10 laptop I create a note file with a numbered list of questions ( manually, not using the list tool) When I enter the answers to the questions I created, I use the list tool Example: 1 Question a. Answer ii. Sub-Answer 2 Question a. Answer ii. Sub-Answer and so on... When I close Logos or the Note Tool and reopen it all the answers and sub-answers are relocated all under the first question. If I then cut and paste them back under the correct question and close again or sync, it happens again. Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong?
- Question re Logos Notes and layouts on mobile (iOS). I have created some layouts where my notes are filtered in certain ways. Say, I’m studying faith and have a layout with an open notes tab filtered to my faith tag and a certain notebook. In a other layout I’m studying Greek and have my notes tools open and filtered differently. When I switch layouts, the filtering doesn’t change with the layout. So if I’m in the Greek study layout and I switch to the faith study layout, the notes tab does not have the faith study filters I selected (but the ones applied in the layout that I switched over from). Is that a bug?
- Hey Tom! What happens if you open a layout with the correct filter applied, close the notes tab, and then switch layouts? When notes reopens does it have the correct filter applied?
- I am experiencing a strange problem, but maybe I just have something configured wrong. I have a series of notes that are anchored to a specific Bible verse (reference, not text selection). The note flags appear at the anchored reference location but they also appear at the beginning of the chapter. What’s weird is this is not happening in some Bible translations. So, for example, I’m seeing the problem in KJV and NASB, but not in the NKJV or ESV (I have not examined other Bible translations besides these). Did I just enable some setting that caused this in these translations? I’m seeing this on Logos desktop version on Mac and on the iOS apps. Weirder yet it seems only like it’s happening with two chapters of the Bible: Revs 12 and 13. I’m not seeing this anywhere else (so far). Have I fallen into some kind of apocalyptic black hole?
- Here is what it looks like. First image shows the proliferation of note flags on Rev 12 in KJV, vs the "correct" number of flags in the NKJV. Next image shows a tool tip of a sample note. Third image is the actual note showing the correct (and limited) reference anchor solely to Rev 12:5.
- I have the same problem
- Hi, suggestion to add a customisable table tool for quick comparisons and more control for the numbered list , where one start from any number instead of the default, 1. Thanks.
- I have a suggestion to improve the usefulness of notes in Logos. It is based on the ideas underpinning the 'interleave' package for EMACS which is influenced by Blumenbach's system of note taking. The basic idea is to enable a user to see their notes next to but separate from the text. The way I imagine this is similar to the 'Multi-Resources Display' functionality, except it is your notes next to the resource, as the block of text moves, the notes would also show and disappear in the adjacent column. https://github.com/rudolfochrist/interleave http://takingnotenow.blogspot.com/2008/07/note-keeping-in-1786-blumenbachs-system.html If you can find a way to incorporate this into Logos, that would be extremely helpful.Taking note: Note-keeping in 1786 - Blumenbach's System of Mapstakingnotenow.blogspot.com
- I have noticed the ability to a labels to a note. I tried adding one. Looks like it allows the addition of user-defined label name with an attribute + value. This looks like a great feature, but I am not sure what you can do with it after you added the completed label to your note. I could not find anything in the help documentation or any online videos. Can someone explain the value of this feature?
- It doesn't return results in "Your Documents" but in your Library. Try opening the "Library (Downloaded)" section of the search results and see if your label appears there in the associated resource.
- I tried that this morning and it too is empty.... i even tried the search within notes but to no avail.. not sure if i am missing something.
- It doesn't work for me either. Is there a more detailed description available? If I add the label via highlighters, it works fine. If I add the exakt same label data in the the notes tool, it won't show up in search results.