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  • Hello, when using cascadia, in Philippians 1.12-30 for example, for the structure, how do you determine which is the main sentence?
    1. Hola, cuando se utiliza cascadia, en Filipenses 1.12-30 por ejemplo, para la estructura, ¿cómo se determina cuál es la frase principal?
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        Could anyone tell me how to put together a search looking for noun-clauses containing imperfect verbs in the Old Testament?
        1. Yes, Genesis 3:14, 3:15, and 3:16. These are good examples of versus containing noun-clauses. The noun-clauses occurs at the end of the versus, the last part of the verse, not sure what that would be in an a section designation (a,b,c,d,etc.)
        2. So, each one of these is represented as a Clause. Nothing in Andersen-Forbes says that it is a "noun" clause, but simply a clause, and verb seems transitive. Looking at the three examples you gave, the only way I could construct something that made sense was the image attached. But, that resulted in 12,202 hits. Let me know if you have further questions. I think it's important to just pull up the Phrase Marker Analysis, and look at it to see if you could adjust the search to be more precise.
        3. I will look at the Phrase Maker, thank you.
      2. Hello, I am just learning to use the Syntax Search so I am a little lost, it keeps shutting down on me! I am wanting to create a search to find the verbs in the Torah that occur in dialog in the non-first position. What is the proper string to get this.
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          Ok, thanks I will wait for the official update. Should I also wait for the update before asking for help in finding certain verb tenses in the Hebrew?
        2. Sorry, I'm not into Hebrew at all. But I'd assume that verb tenses would be looked for in Morph searches rather than Syntax searches, so ask away! (actually I think the forums is a better place to do so: more user interaction, better ability to add screenshots, generally longer and more structured texts)
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          Ok I will give the forums a shot. What I am interested in is finding all the imperfect verbs in dialogue in the non-first position. Or just finding all the imperfect verbs in dialogue might just be sufficient. I appreciate whatever help I can get. If you have any tips let me know. thanks.
      3. Hello, this is probably a basic question but I can't figur it out. In the A-F syntax search, how do I search for a CIC which directly "rules" a segment without any other intermediate nodes? For example, the word "God" as the sbj of Gen 1:21. Simply specifying the various parent / child counts does not eliminate other intermediate levels.
        1. Maybe this is just me, but when I try to click on the CIC specifics on the side panel to select the syntactic function of Subject, it crashes on me. I think you need to do what is on the second screen shot and make sure that "matching skips levels" is *not checked* I searched that and got Gen 1:21, but a ton of other hits because I can select any more specific data for the CIC clause.
      4. Greetings everyone, I need to perform a search for all uses of ἀπο in clauses that have a passive verb in Pauline writings (I know how to access the Pauline letters in the search area). Can anyone guide me through the process in the syntax search area?  Thanks in advance, Chris
        1. This is what I came up with. Hopefully this makes sense. Choose *Clause* Select *Unordered* to the right of *Clause* (Important) to the right of *Unordered* you choose *Clause Function* with *predicate* and *verbal* features To the right of that *Clause Function* you select *phrase* adding some data to it (click on the node if it's not selected and use right side menu) Add Phrase type being *verbal* Add the morphology you want to the phrase (under the head term morphology section) Then you want to place an *anything* between the *clause function* and the second *clause function* by clicking the + below the first *clause function* This is so that there could be something that happens between the verb and the prepositional phrase (e.g., a noun) Click the + on the bottom of the *anything* and select the second *clause function* Select a *phrase* to the right of the *clause function* Select a *terminal node* to right of the *phrase* adding data to it Preposition ἀπό under the "head term text and lemma" One last point on the *second clause function* you might want to click on it and select "Highlight this term in results." This will highlight the Prepositional Phrase. I've added screenshots of both the search I did and some of the results.
        2. Thanks so much for this, I'm going to plug it in later and see what I can come up with. Also, what exactly is a terminal "node." Thanks again.
        3. You are welcome. By Node, I mean one of the items (boxes) in the search/visualization of the search. Terminal Node is actually one of the levels of the dataset that you can select. * Clause * Clause function * Phrase * Terminal Node * Word Those are all apart of the cascadia hierarchy in the syntax database. I hope the makes sense.
      5. Can anyone help me understand how jealous is a noun in Zechariah 8:2 word #14 KJV? Also how to find that syntax for all of the OT?
        1. Given "The Granville Sharp Rule States": When the copulative και [usually translated “and”] connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns (either substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill], if the article ὁ, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun or participle: i.e. it denotes a farther description of the first-named person. What would be the best search syntax to find examples in the Greek NT? All help much appreciated!
          1. Hi Bob. The best way to do this, if you have the Greek Grammatical Constructions Dataset (documentation here: https://ref.ly/logosres/cidbdocgkgram?ref=GrammaticalConstructions.gsharp ) would be to search your Greek NT for: {Section <GramCon GSharp>} , as shown below.
          2. Great response, and quick. Works great too. Thanx much!
        2. It has been a while since I have done syntax searches. What I want to find is frequency of what some call 1st attributive position (article, modifier, noun) and 2nd attributive position (article, noun, article, modifier). I'm teaching participles right now. The structure I'm looking for (2nd position) is illustrated by Matt. 7:13, particularly the phrase ἡ ὁδὸς ἡ ἀπάγουσα (εἰς τὴν ἀπώλειαν), as compared with ὁ ζῶν πατὴρ of John 6:57 (1st attributive position). I want to be able to find examples of each structure. I would appreciate any help anyone can give. I have Cascadia and Lexham and OpenText.
          1. Are you trying to keep this specific to participles or simply the structure (adjective proper or participle is fine)? I hope that makes sense. You can make the search so that it constrains it to being participles in the first and second attributive structure. I'll just go ahead and do that. Hopefully that helps enough. btw, I love it when people engage on here about searching these databases. Very rare. But, these are amazing databases.
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            Here is the first search. I pull up structure in the database (Matthew 7:13 in this case), and I start to replicate it. Probably one of the more important things you have to do is on the final "Clause Function", make it agree with the first determiner (article) in one of the grammatical categories that it needs to (in this case, gender). Of note, I forgot to add the participle morphological category in my original search because I was fairly confident it wouldn't change the results. I went ahead and added that and researched it, and it didn't change the results. In this case, I got 117 hits.
          3. Pretty much, rinse and repeat. 65 hits. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and respond soon. Can't promise as quick a response as this one was. Found me in a free moment! :)
        3. i trying to do a syntax search, but I noticed that in the new context menu (right click) when you pick the lemma there is no option to copy it. I am sure that I am missing something obvious, but could someone help?
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            , it's there, but you might be missing it since "Copy reference" could be misleading. cc: ,
          2. I confess I envy a little bit all the choices that come up with your resource set, Phil :)